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Sneak Peek of NANOG 91 + MORE Nanog News (May 02)
*Sneak Peek of NANOG 91 *
*Coming to the NANOG 91 Stage in Kansas City*

*Full agenda will be available soon! * In the meantime, here is a sneak
peek of NANOG 91's programming.

+ DNS@IETF w/ David Lawrence
+ Architect and build IPv6 networks on AWS w/ Alexandra Huides
+ Set Your IX to Full Auto w/ Chris Grundemann
+ Security Track: RPKI ROV Adoption Update and Expiration Analysis w/ Doug
Madory
+ Community Broadband Networks for Rural and...

Steve Bellovin retires Jay Ashworth (Apr 30)
Steve Bellovin retires:

https://mastodon.lawprofs.org/@SteveBellovin/112362015712050310

Re: [External] Opengear alternatives that support 5g? Doug McIntyre (Apr 29)
Another option would be a RaPi Compute Module 4 with eMMC
onboard. (ie. the non-Lite version does not need a SDCard)
They have breakout boards for the Compute Module that have spots for
5G WAN.
https://thepihut.com/products/compute-module-4-industrial-iot-base-board

PiKVM does make the file system read-only, that you have to
temporarily disable to do updates, config changes, etc). Potentially, you could
copy what they do there.

One suggestion...

Re: [External] Opengear alternatives that support 5g? Hunter Fuller via NANOG (Apr 29)
I certainly don't blame you for your frustrations with abusing MikroTiks as
a serial console. The additional computer (Pi or otherwise) is, imo, a
must. Unless you are just using the MIkroTik as an ssh jump box into the
OOB network, which isn't so bad.

Re: [External] Opengear alternatives that support 5g? Warren Kumari (Apr 29)
Yup, that's the solution I mentioned above with #5:
"5: actually be designed as a termserver - the current thing we are using
doesn't really understand terminals, and so we need to use 'socat
-,raw,echo=0,escape=0x1d TCP:<termserver>:<port>' to get things like
tab-completion and "up-arrow for last command" to work."

Most term-server type things allow you to ssh / telnet to a TCP port and
the...

Re: Opengear alternatives that support 5g? Mark Tinka (Apr 28)
At new job, I am looking at using pfSense-based VPN's to create the DCN.
It does consume 1U and a couple of cabinet watts for the server, but
it's stable, feature-rich, well-supported, and network media agnostic.

Mark.

Re: Opengear alternatives that support 5g? Siyuan Miao via NANOG (Apr 28)
We use GL.inet and set up WireGuard VPNs back to our distributed VPN
servers. Our console servers support dual uplink, so we just connect port 1
to the GL.inet LAN and port 2 to our management switch.

Currently, we're still using their LTE model, and it costs ~100 USD per
site, but their 5G models are expensive and cost around $500.

Re: Opengear alternatives that support 5g? Mark Tinka (Apr 28)
Fair enough - if the bulk of your OoB use-case is remote (cell) sites,
your typical options won't work or will be limited.

Oddly, in our parts, we find remote, non-city locations, tend to keep
their 3G/4G status, or don't even get considered for 5G at all. But I
guess this will vary by market the world over, so I could see a remote
site in Norway, for example, having 5G vs. a remote site in, say, Egypt,
doing the same.

I think...

Re: [External] Opengear alternatives that support 5g? Hunter Fuller via NANOG (Apr 28)
We use MikroTik for this. All manner of interfaces including LTE and 5G are
available. I hear you can connect USB serial to them directly, but we also
drop a surplus Dell OptiPlex at each location and attach the serial ports
to that device. Total cost is <200 USD per site since we already have the
older desktops laying around.

Re: Opengear alternatives that support 5g? ic (Apr 28)
hi,

Teltonika supports any vpn openwrt does.

BR, ic

Re: Opengear alternatives that support 5g? Mel Beckman (Apr 27)
Mike,

Both the Cradlepoint and Teltonica 5G devices are ~$600, even more than the PepLink. I’ll compare features, but at
first blush the Teltonica at least seems to have no VPN support.

-mel via cell


Mel,

My apologies, i confused one mikrotik with another model. You are correct.

I would also check out CradlePoint and Teltonika as well.

Cheers,
Mike


Mike,

Thanks for that info. Alas, I’m not seeing any Mikrotik 5G devices...

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Re: Opengear alternatives that support 5g? Mel Beckman (Apr 27)
Quite often I’m looking for OOBM at antenna sites or in remote DCs where there is no Plan B carrier. Cellular has
always been the goto choice for this, but we keep getting pushed out of contracts by technology upgrades. 2g, then 3g,
and next 4g LTE are being deprecated.

The main reason for network shutdowns is that the carriers have limited spectrum available for expansion. To deliver
faster, more cost effective data service to customers,...

Re: Opengear alternatives that support 5g? Mark Tinka (Apr 27)
I tend to agree.

Cisco do this very well, and if you are really low on cash and okay with
acquiring these on the cheap, the open market has tons of deals and
options from Cisco that have matured over the decades.

Is a 10Mbps DIA link going for US$200 - US$300 MRC nowadays, excluding
the x-connect? I'd have though it's now in US$100 range at the very worst.

Or are you looking at an OoB link of more than 10Mbps?

Mark.

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